Re: training

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Posted by Jere Murray on April 08, 19102 at 15:25:54:

In Reply to: Re: training posted by greydude on April 08, 19102 at 09:45:59:

> I think the trainer has a problem .She loves to retrieve and pays attention to everything I ask of her.She has been away for six weeks now and I was up to see her on Friday the 5th of April
> I was not very happy with her progress at the 6 week mark.He is telling me he can't get enough reps on the casting.He dose not believe in force fetching which I thought would in order before a handeling and blind retrieve training.When I went and worked with her she gave me about 30 retrieves ,he said if she would work like that with him he would complete in 6 more weeks as he thought at the begining.I don't know much about the method these pro trainers use but when she returns from a retrieve if she dose not sit on the whistle the very second she hears it she gets the side of his foot in the chest.Is that normal?Also he dose not believe in using the E coller.I wonder if he is using too much presure for her age.He just started using a few quail to motivate her,none was needed when I was up to work with her.Thanks for any comments thoughts on the training.

> greydude

You have it figured out Greydude.

The trainer has a problem. You said: "I don't know much about the method these pro trainers use but when she returns from a retrieve if she dose not sit on the whistle the very second she hears it she gets the side of his foot in the chest.Is that normal?"

No it is not normal. It is stupid and abuse. The dog is learning, though. This trainer has trained your dog to avoid him/her. Luckily, so far, the dog retains her love of you and retrieving. Go get the dog ASAP before she has a broken rib and train her yourself or find a real dog trainer.

Neither FF nor ecollars are necessary. Some dogs will not handle ecollars unless the trainer is especially skilled, at least a few won't at all. I have no idea how many are that skilled but there are many that are not.

What are you hopes for this gal? FTs, HTs, just hunting???

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> > I think the trainer has a problem .She loves to retrieve and pays attention to everything I ask of her.She has been away for six weeks now and I was up to see her on Friday the 5th of April > > I was not very happy with her progress at the 6 week mark.He is telling me he can't get enough reps on the casting.He dose not believe in force fetching which I thought would in order before a handeling and blind retrieve training.When I went and worked with her she gave me about 30 retrieves ,he said if she would work like that with him he would complete in 6 more weeks as he thought at the begining.I don't know much about the method these pro trainers use but when she returns from a retrieve if she dose not sit on the whistle the very second she hears it she gets the side of his foot in the chest.Is that normal?Also he dose not believe in using the E coller.I wonder if he is using too much presure for her age.He just started using a few quail to motivate her,none was needed when I was up to work with her.Thanks for any comments thoughts on the training. > > greydude > You have it figured out Greydude. > The trainer has a problem. You said: "I don't know much about the method these pro trainers use but when she returns from a retrieve if she dose not sit on the whistle the very second she hears it she gets the side of his foot in the chest.Is that normal?" > No it is not normal. It is stupid and abuse. The dog is learning, though. This trainer has trained your dog to avoid him/her. Luckily, so far, the dog retains her love of you and retrieving. Go get the dog ASAP before she has a broken rib and train her yourself or find a real dog trainer. > Neither FF nor ecollars are necessary. Some dogs will not handle ecollars unless the trainer is especially skilled, at least a few won't at all. I have no idea how many are that skilled but there are many that are not. > What are you hopes for this gal? FTs, HTs, just hunting???

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